1 00:00:05,390 --> 00:00:02,419 again I'm sorry for the delay of the 2 00:00:07,789 --> 00:00:05,400 start and we're going Lou welcome to the 3 00:00:10,730 --> 00:00:07,799 show and I apologize for for the delay 4 00:00:12,020 --> 00:00:10,740 and I know you're on limited time no 5 00:00:18,260 --> 00:00:12,030 worry sir thank you for having me 6 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:18,270 yes so Lou there I have like so many 7 00:00:23,179 --> 00:00:20,430 people have written into me that wanted 8 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:23,189 some questions answered a whole bunch of 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:24,960 them but one of them I'd like to just 10 00:00:29,630 --> 00:00:28,410 tackle and get over real quickly is and 11 00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:29,640 we're definitely going to talk about 12 00:00:34,420 --> 00:00:31,560 your show I absolutely love it I thought 13 00:00:40,369 --> 00:00:34,430 it was great but can you tackle the 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:40,379 recent particle in the insect Kurt says 15 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:43,770 that sure what I believe the name was 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:46,620 Sherwood said he didn't believe you were 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:49,770 part of the a tip can you just tackle 18 00:00:56,029 --> 00:00:53,730 that and get that over sure well first 19 00:00:59,209 --> 00:00:56,039 and foremost look in today's day of 20 00:01:01,610 --> 00:00:59,219 media it look everyone's entitled to the 21 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:01,620 minute and not everyone is necessarily 22 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:03,840 going to agree with or even lying what 23 00:01:07,670 --> 00:01:05,790 what what we're doing and especially I 24 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:07,680 think when we're talking about speaking 25 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:10,710 about topics as rich and potentially as 26 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:14,460 as obscure and contentious at times as 27 00:01:19,370 --> 00:01:17,070 UFOs and because of that people are 28 00:01:21,649 --> 00:01:19,380 always going to have to try to poke 29 00:01:24,590 --> 00:01:21,659 holes in a story I get it that's that's 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:24,600 just what the media does but I'm very 31 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:27,210 confident along with others that are in 32 00:01:30,830 --> 00:01:29,640 senior positions of the US government of 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:30,840 my of my credentials 34 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:33,810 the Department of Defense is a large 35 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:36,720 bureaucracy and sometimes it takes time 36 00:01:42,499 --> 00:01:39,780 for information to trickle down so this 37 00:01:44,210 --> 00:01:42,509 may very well be one of those cases and 38 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:44,220 you know frankly I'm pretty optimistic 39 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:45,810 that at some point here there their 40 00:01:49,969 --> 00:01:48,600 position may change again so it's not an 41 00:01:52,639 --> 00:01:49,979 unfortunate I wish I wish I'd say it's 42 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:52,649 unusual but but sometimes it takes a 43 00:01:56,330 --> 00:01:54,689 while for information to keeping a month 44 00:01:58,639 --> 00:01:56,340 for the last year and a half they had 45 00:02:00,830 --> 00:01:58,649 already said for the record that I think 46 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,840 she was part of the program so you know 47 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:03,119 I think they probably got their wires 48 00:02:11,390 --> 00:02:10,249 and what you're trying to accomplish I'm 49 00:02:13,730 --> 00:02:11,400 sorry can you repeat that one more time 50 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:13,740 yeah when things like this happen when 51 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:16,260 you read something like this is it is it 52 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:19,020 discouraging you from continuing on what 53 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:22,170 they're doing no no I mean like I said 54 00:02:24,860 --> 00:02:23,370 people are entitled to their opinions 55 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:24,870 and this and it's going to continue to 56 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:28,140 happen I think that look we live in a 57 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:29,910 society where everybody has a right to 58 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:32,370 an opinion it doesn't matter how goofy 59 00:02:37,070 --> 00:02:35,370 or or or serious it is and I think 60 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:37,080 that's what makes our society so so 61 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:39,330 great so now people are gonna have have 62 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:41,010 opinions as I just had a penis for the 63 00:02:45,140 --> 00:02:42,450 last 70 years on this topic quite 64 00:02:46,850 --> 00:02:45,150 frankly so do I think that that opinions 65 00:02:49,010 --> 00:02:46,860 are going to change us because I happen 66 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:49,020 to be the the person who should on this 67 00:02:53,810 --> 00:02:51,900 topic no absolutely not I think it's you 68 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:53,820 know this is I hate to say but it says 69 00:02:57,350 --> 00:02:56,310 it says American as apple pie and you 70 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:57,360 know that's what happens when you live 71 00:03:05,180 --> 00:02:59,760 in a free society we allow everybody to 72 00:03:07,850 --> 00:03:05,190 have a voice so I watched the screener 73 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:07,860 of unidentified and I was absolutely 74 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:09,930 thrilled with the web how well it was 75 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:14,250 produced and now are we gonna be getting 76 00:03:20,539 --> 00:03:17,820 more of these type of videos that are 77 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:20,549 going to come out that you display 78 00:03:26,090 --> 00:03:23,570 you know the tick-tock and then 79 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:26,100 2014-2015 what everyone's calling the 80 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:28,590 gimbal by UFO do you think eventually 81 00:03:34,850 --> 00:03:31,610 there will be more videos coming out 82 00:03:36,430 --> 00:03:34,860 well certainly but let me define you 83 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:36,440 know coming out on this particular 84 00:03:41,690 --> 00:03:39,170 series or the next episode you know I 85 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:41,700 you know I think I think more videos 86 00:03:46,490 --> 00:03:42,959 will be coming out yes but not 87 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:46,500 necessarily through our show immediately 88 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:48,150 because at the end of the day videos are 89 00:03:52,670 --> 00:03:50,640 just one aspect of many many many when 90 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:52,680 you're trying to - through will build a 91 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:54,540 case on something you know eyewitness 92 00:03:58,610 --> 00:03:56,850 testimony is very important video is 93 00:04:00,410 --> 00:03:58,620 very important radar data is very 94 00:04:02,630 --> 00:04:00,420 important electro optical data gun 95 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:02,640 camera footage is very important and 96 00:04:06,979 --> 00:04:04,500 it's it's a much bigger story than just 97 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:06,989 a video or two or three videos 98 00:04:10,370 --> 00:04:09,000 I think the viewer will appreciate as 99 00:04:13,910 --> 00:04:10,380 you begin to watch more and more of 100 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:13,920 these you will you will begin to realize 101 00:04:20,539 --> 00:04:16,560 that this is a much much bigger much 102 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:20,549 more comprehensive and naima that 103 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:22,860 facing and although videos are neat 104 00:04:25,969 --> 00:04:24,900 because people look at how that look at 105 00:04:28,129 --> 00:04:25,979 that thing 106 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:28,139 this is this is much more compelling and 107 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:30,449 when you begin to actually listen to the 108 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:32,190 eyewitnesses these are men and women who 109 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:34,409 are still active duty in uniform and and 110 00:04:40,129 --> 00:04:37,289 you see what the the struggle that and 111 00:04:43,159 --> 00:04:40,139 and potentially in some cases even even 112 00:04:44,510 --> 00:04:43,169 putting them in harm's way and then had 113 00:04:47,059 --> 00:04:44,520 this discussion in front of the American 114 00:04:49,369 --> 00:04:47,069 people I think people will begin to 115 00:04:50,809 --> 00:04:49,379 realize this is a very this is a very 116 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:50,819 interesting question that we knew that 117 00:04:53,899 --> 00:04:52,530 we need to answers to this and yeah 118 00:04:56,540 --> 00:04:53,909 there's a national security aspect 119 00:04:57,770 --> 00:04:56,550 addition it's not just hey I saw 120 00:05:01,430 --> 00:04:57,780 something flying when I was flying my 121 00:05:03,260 --> 00:05:01,440 f-18 and I think as we continue with a 122 00:05:05,689 --> 00:05:03,270 few more of these episodes it's going to 123 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:05,699 become very very current that that this 124 00:05:13,370 --> 00:05:10,560 is truly a global phenomena what's a 125 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:13,380 specific event that helped shape your 126 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:15,210 decision to leave the Department of 127 00:05:22,879 --> 00:05:18,960 Defense or was it just a gradual you 128 00:05:26,379 --> 00:05:22,889 know saying that you went through to you 129 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:29,629 well first of all if I may be frank with 130 00:05:33,379 --> 00:05:30,590 you 131 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:33,389 personally speaking I've seen and know 132 00:05:38,059 --> 00:05:35,190 too much at this point to simply ignore 133 00:05:40,249 --> 00:05:38,069 the fact and turn my back and not 134 00:05:42,890 --> 00:05:40,259 address that that these crafts are real 135 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:42,900 that they exist they're frankly just 136 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:44,849 overwhelming evidence and my background 137 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:47,090 being a no kidding investigator 138 00:05:51,860 --> 00:05:49,110 throughout my career in intelligence 139 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:51,870 officer we have a responsibility to 140 00:05:59,360 --> 00:05:56,370 report and it's also a duty to warn and 141 00:06:01,189 --> 00:05:59,370 so when you go to the airport right or 142 00:06:03,709 --> 00:06:01,199 you go to a train station you hear that 143 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:03,719 a famous announcement you know see 144 00:06:08,930 --> 00:06:05,580 something say something reported when in 145 00:06:12,140 --> 00:06:08,940 doubt see something suspicious and when 146 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:12,150 it comes to these things it's the 147 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:14,370 opposite approach until recently it was 148 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:15,719 don't report these things because you 149 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:17,520 made with your clear mates you might you 150 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:19,110 might blind up being taken a flight 151 00:06:23,540 --> 00:06:20,880 status and may put you some sort of 152 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:23,550 psychological evaluation and it's 153 00:06:28,010 --> 00:06:25,740 detrimental to your career and so I 154 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:28,020 found that very dangerous because the 155 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:29,460 only thing more dangerous or something 156 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:31,080 flying in our skies we don't know what 157 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:32,430 it is there's nothing we can do about it 158 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:33,930 it's not even being 159 00:06:40,249 --> 00:06:36,840 we'll have a conversation that is to 160 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:40,259 meet unacceptable and so my decision to 161 00:06:44,060 --> 00:06:41,850 leave the department was in part because 162 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:44,070 my loyalty to the part about this 163 00:06:48,650 --> 00:06:45,900 loyalty understand that at the time 164 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:48,660 secretary Madison this is a man that I 165 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:50,460 served in a combat theater with and I 166 00:06:54,860 --> 00:06:52,800 have the utmost greatest respect for 167 00:06:56,570 --> 00:06:54,870 this man I've seen him literally make 168 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:56,580 decisions that save people's lives right 169 00:07:00,620 --> 00:06:58,740 there on the spot so so this is a man 170 00:07:02,090 --> 00:07:00,630 through my experience who should have 171 00:07:04,420 --> 00:07:02,100 more information about less and when 172 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:04,430 he's in a position of secretary defense 173 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:07,139 not even being able to let him know look 174 00:07:10,969 --> 00:07:09,030 these things are in our controlled 175 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:10,979 airspace and they're coming close to our 176 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:12,960 to our pilots and to the point where you 177 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:15,449 almost have a mid-air collision that's a 178 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:17,940 problem and simply because of stigma and 179 00:07:23,629 --> 00:07:20,910 taboo frankly I don't give it a food 180 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:23,639 what the stigma and taboo is you've got 181 00:07:27,620 --> 00:07:25,770 to tell the boss and when the 182 00:07:30,350 --> 00:07:27,630 bureaucracy doesn't allow that to happen 183 00:07:32,810 --> 00:07:30,360 then I think there's a failure of the 184 00:07:34,999 --> 00:07:32,820 system and we have to we have to fix 185 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:35,009 that failure and so in fact going back 186 00:07:38,689 --> 00:07:36,960 to your question leaving what made me 187 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:38,699 think the department it wasn't 188 00:07:42,770 --> 00:07:40,409 necessarily a single event it was a 189 00:07:44,990 --> 00:07:42,780 constant frustration of reporting and 190 00:07:45,409 --> 00:07:45,000 briefing senior DoD leadership on these 191 00:07:47,779 --> 00:07:45,419 things 192 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:47,789 and this resistance to say look hey we 193 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:49,020 know who these things are real you're 194 00:07:53,180 --> 00:07:50,430 right this is compelling we've got the 195 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:53,190 pilots testimony we got it we're not 196 00:07:57,260 --> 00:07:54,710 quite sure we want to tell the boss yet 197 00:07:59,480 --> 00:07:57,270 that to me and by the way I'm not 198 00:08:02,029 --> 00:07:59,490 blaming it because you know how to tell 199 00:08:04,430 --> 00:08:02,039 a guy by the way who's made bad dog 200 00:08:05,629 --> 00:08:04,440 managed that there's something nice guy 201 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:05,639 and we don't know what it is we don't 202 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:06,449 know how to stop it 203 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:08,190 keeping in mind that Department of 204 00:08:13,159 --> 00:08:10,110 Defense is an organization that is 205 00:08:15,589 --> 00:08:13,169 designed to have answers and you do not 206 00:08:18,770 --> 00:08:15,599 want to go to the boss without any type 207 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:18,780 of recommended course of action so again 208 00:08:23,689 --> 00:08:21,990 it but at the same time I don't think 209 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:23,699 this is like a conversation about fine 210 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:25,710 wine and the longer we keep a cork on it 211 00:08:29,149 --> 00:08:27,690 the better it gets I I think we need to 212 00:08:30,589 --> 00:08:29,159 have the conversation now in fact I 213 00:08:34,339 --> 00:08:30,599 think we did have the conversation five 214 00:08:36,290 --> 00:08:34,349 years ago you asked me and so I left the 215 00:08:38,329 --> 00:08:36,300 department sometimes if you loved an 216 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:38,339 organization enough if you want to fix 217 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:40,680 it you have to leave it and and by the 218 00:08:45,949 --> 00:08:43,050 way you know I remind you that secretary 219 00:08:47,510 --> 00:08:45,959 mattis almost a year to the day day that 220 00:08:50,770 --> 00:08:47,520 I resign he did 221 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:50,780 same thing IRA's I out of principle so 222 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:53,100 sometimes you have to leave an 223 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:54,810 organization and fix it from the outside 224 00:09:00,320 --> 00:08:56,910 if you really if you really love it 225 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:00,330 want to help now one of the questions 226 00:09:05,690 --> 00:09:02,250 that a lot of people have asked me and 227 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:05,700 wondered about and I just like to set 228 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:06,450 the record straight 229 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:09,810 are you in any capacity a contractor and 230 00:09:14,420 --> 00:09:11,630 some type of way for the government now 231 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:14,430 no I don't have no idea where they came 232 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:23,600 from if I am sure not getting paid so I 233 00:09:29,210 --> 00:09:27,450 watched the livestream of to the Stars 234 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:29,220 Academy to be launched I think it was 235 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:32,970 like October 11th and 2017 and I was 236 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,370 really kind of surprised that there was 237 00:09:40,850 --> 00:09:37,440 very little press about it and then a 238 00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:40,860 long time you know December 16th and the 239 00:09:46,060 --> 00:09:43,620 New York Times article that was 240 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:46,070 co-authored by Helen Cooper Ralf 241 00:09:51,380 --> 00:09:49,650 Blumenthal and Leslie came and what was 242 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:51,390 the what was that like for you when that 243 00:09:57,020 --> 00:09:55,650 after that happened oh gosh um you know 244 00:09:59,210 --> 00:09:57,030 be honest with you I'm a creature of the 245 00:10:02,180 --> 00:09:59,220 shadows I've spent my entire life living 246 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:02,190 in the shadows out of frankly that's a 247 00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:04,890 matter of our job so it is not my nature 248 00:10:11,290 --> 00:10:07,760 to be in the middle of the spotlight 249 00:10:13,460 --> 00:10:11,300 personally it's it's rather 250 00:10:15,410 --> 00:10:13,470 uncomfortable for me but at the same 251 00:10:19,610 --> 00:10:15,420 time I think the message is very 252 00:10:22,030 --> 00:10:19,620 important and so I'm doing what what I 253 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:22,040 feel is necessary now if you want a very 254 00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:25,410 poor analogy I've often told people you 255 00:10:30,770 --> 00:10:28,500 know I think of myself as this albino 256 00:10:33,380 --> 00:10:30,780 caves new living somewhere in the recess 257 00:10:35,870 --> 00:10:33,390 of some back cave dark and happy and you 258 00:10:38,060 --> 00:10:35,880 know and all of a sudden someone taking 259 00:10:39,380 --> 00:10:38,070 this little this little lizard that's 260 00:10:40,670 --> 00:10:39,390 been happy its whole life living in the 261 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:40,680 dark and ripping it out and putting it 262 00:10:45,170 --> 00:10:42,240 in the middle of the Hot Desert Sun I'm 263 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:45,180 noon on a noon around 12 o'clock in the 264 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:45,600 afternoon 265 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:48,960 people start poking at it it's it's not 266 00:10:57,140 --> 00:10:53,880 my my my natural environment but at the 267 00:10:59,330 --> 00:10:57,150 same time I think I think the message is 268 00:11:00,560 --> 00:10:59,340 important enough that we have a 269 00:11:02,050 --> 00:11:00,570 collective conversation with the 270 00:11:05,690 --> 00:11:02,060 American people 271 00:11:08,660 --> 00:11:05,700 right right I you probably know who 272 00:11:11,990 --> 00:11:08,670 Stanton Friedman is or was unfortunately 273 00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:12,000 we just lost him right after the New 274 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:15,480 York Times piece was published he said 275 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:17,370 that I interviewed him and who said that 276 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:20,880 his big biggest question was why now why 277 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:22,530 now is the government actually letting 278 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:25,920 this out can you address that well I 279 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:27,600 can't answer on behalf of the government 280 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:28,800 because I'm no longer employed by the 281 00:11:32,810 --> 00:11:30,810 government but my question B would be in 282 00:11:35,060 --> 00:11:32,820 return well how come not five years ago 283 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:35,070 how come not ten years ago and and I 284 00:11:41,390 --> 00:11:38,010 can't answer that I don't know why it 285 00:11:45,710 --> 00:11:41,400 may very well be that we now are at a 286 00:11:47,510 --> 00:11:45,720 point where enough people are seeing 287 00:11:48,890 --> 00:11:47,520 these things and maybe maybe it's a 288 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:48,900 cultural thing I really don't know maybe 289 00:11:53,950 --> 00:11:51,060 it's maybe we're at a point where were 290 00:11:56,330 --> 00:11:53,960 as a culture we are more willing to 291 00:11:58,010 --> 00:11:56,340 accept the fact that there were things 292 00:12:00,170 --> 00:11:58,020 still in nature that we don't understand 293 00:12:02,450 --> 00:12:00,180 I mean let's look at it this way you 294 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:02,460 know up until recently there was a 295 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:04,170 statement by some folks saying I know 296 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:05,970 we've discovered every species that 297 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:07,770 there is to discover and of course every 298 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:11,370 year we find new more species up until 299 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:13,560 recently we had to find a living 300 00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:15,570 organism as something that kind of looks 301 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:17,670 like you know an animal if you will in 302 00:12:23,420 --> 00:12:21,090 breach and reproduces and yet we find 303 00:12:25,490 --> 00:12:23,430 that life is diverse it's plentiful 304 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:25,500 that's if you can go to the deepest 305 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:27,030 darkest part of the Marianas Trench 306 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:29,850 seven miles down and find life a mile 307 00:12:34,430 --> 00:12:31,590 under the Antarctic ice and you can find 308 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:34,440 life and go to a - - location on earth 309 00:12:40,070 --> 00:12:37,710 where these extremophiles exist and we 310 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:40,080 look at this and say how can a creature 311 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:43,440 live in total darkness and you know many 312 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:46,290 many many degrees Fahrenheit above what 313 00:12:52,010 --> 00:12:48,480 we can tolerate and and live happiness 314 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:52,020 in fact thrive so the definition of life 315 00:12:56,090 --> 00:12:54,360 is something that we continue to look at 316 00:12:59,630 --> 00:12:56,100 and ask ourselves a question medically 317 00:13:02,330 --> 00:12:59,640 speaking you could look at a virus and 318 00:13:03,860 --> 00:13:02,340 say wow is that a living thing well some 319 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:03,870 cases it does things like the living 320 00:13:10,370 --> 00:13:06,870 thing it reproduces and it will it will 321 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:10,380 do other things to survive but in other 322 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:13,410 cases it doesn't have DNA so what makes 323 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:14,850 something alive I suspect if 324 00:13:19,249 --> 00:13:16,800 you were to come to earth and look at a 325 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,259 plant and look at a human being you 326 00:13:24,530 --> 00:13:21,600 probably say wow those are completely 327 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:24,540 different life forms and yet they are 328 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:26,790 living we have a lot of things in common 329 00:13:32,269 --> 00:13:28,050 with plants we were produced with 330 00:13:33,499 --> 00:13:32,279 compete for resources we grow we die so 331 00:13:33,889 --> 00:13:33,509 I don't know that's that's a really good 332 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:33,899 question 333 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:37,800 I don't know why now you know I don't 334 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:41,519 know so what do you think about the 335 00:13:47,329 --> 00:13:43,769 Navy's new reporting of unidentified 336 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:47,339 aircraft do do you think any part of 337 00:13:54,829 --> 00:13:50,569 this forward motion is in part of 338 00:13:58,939 --> 00:13:54,839 because of what TT SAS and your efforts 339 00:14:00,860 --> 00:13:58,949 have set in motion well it is undeniably 340 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:00,870 as a result of what T TSA engaged in but 341 00:14:04,069 --> 00:14:02,399 it's not just retail he's haunted by I 342 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:04,079 don't I don't want people to have the 343 00:14:06,829 --> 00:14:05,490 misconception that they may lose fear 344 00:14:08,660 --> 00:14:06,839 driving the train making this happen 345 00:14:10,189 --> 00:14:08,670 because because I as a team effort 346 00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:10,199 we have folks like Chris melon this is a 347 00:14:14,569 --> 00:14:12,839 man who who knows more about government 348 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:14,579 interworkings and bureaucracy than just 349 00:14:19,939 --> 00:14:15,990 about anybody else on the planet you 350 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:19,949 have folks like like Jim semi Pam senior 351 00:14:23,689 --> 00:14:22,410 CIA representative who knows about the 352 00:14:25,579 --> 00:14:23,699 intelligence community probably better 353 00:14:27,290 --> 00:14:25,589 than anybody I'm dr. Howard off as a 354 00:14:30,590 --> 00:14:27,300 scientist world-renowned scientist and 355 00:14:32,689 --> 00:14:30,600 and Steve justice and Tom DeLonge this 356 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:32,699 is a team effort and it's not just you 357 00:14:35,809 --> 00:14:34,500 know talking to one person and out the 358 00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:35,819 native changes their mind starts 359 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:37,620 allowing their pilots to report this 360 00:14:43,490 --> 00:14:41,730 stuff this is a coordinated it's a bit 361 00:14:44,780 --> 00:14:43,500 like a symphony symphony if you were all 362 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:44,790 it's a coordinated effort every 363 00:14:49,730 --> 00:14:47,130 instrument has their own sheet of music 364 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:49,740 to play has its own purpose and has to 365 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:52,529 be in melody if you will with the rest 366 00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:54,860 of the instruments so we are constantly 367 00:14:59,600 --> 00:14:57,120 coordinating with each other and and 368 00:15:01,100 --> 00:14:59,610 engaging the certain points within the 369 00:15:03,980 --> 00:15:01,110 US government that we think need to 370 00:15:05,929 --> 00:15:03,990 engage in order for them to be educated 371 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:05,939 on what's really going on and then with 372 00:15:09,379 --> 00:15:07,860 that information you allow them to make 373 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:09,389 the decision okay yeah you know what 374 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:11,130 there are something there maybe we 375 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:14,130 should change our policy and by the way 376 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:15,930 it's not just with us as a company it's 377 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:17,250 also working with our government 378 00:15:20,569 --> 00:15:19,050 partners we don't want to alienate them 379 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:20,579 they're not necessarily the enemy here 380 00:15:24,740 --> 00:15:23,490 we have to work with them and so best 381 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:24,750 way to do that is to work in a 382 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:26,850 collaborative collaborative way where 383 00:15:30,769 --> 00:15:28,769 we're recording with them 384 00:15:32,929 --> 00:15:30,779 courting with us we can freely exchange 385 00:15:40,579 --> 00:15:32,939 information back and forth and that's 386 00:15:43,129 --> 00:15:40,589 how you make change I can't because of 387 00:15:45,319 --> 00:15:43,139 this situation I have with my computer 388 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:45,329 or whatever I know you have to go I 389 00:15:50,479 --> 00:15:46,529 don't know how much time do you have 390 00:15:53,419 --> 00:15:50,489 like five more minutes yeah I give up or 391 00:15:56,569 --> 00:15:53,429 fight sure okay sure so this question 392 00:15:59,629 --> 00:15:56,579 came from another researcher out there 393 00:16:02,569 --> 00:15:59,639 and he's asking did you use the 394 00:16:03,949 --> 00:16:02,579 resources of anyone at NASA that's 395 00:16:05,989 --> 00:16:03,959 National Air Force and Space 396 00:16:08,539 --> 00:16:05,999 Intelligence Center at wright-patterson 397 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:08,549 Air Force Base 398 00:16:14,139 --> 00:16:11,910 I can't specifically talk about who we 399 00:16:16,039 --> 00:16:14,149 have or are partnering with right now 400 00:16:18,049 --> 00:16:16,049 keeping in mind some of these 401 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:18,059 relationship ships are still or later 402 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:19,649 some cases they're nascent in another 403 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:20,730 cases there's still a little bit 404 00:16:26,509 --> 00:16:24,569 sensitive so we have to be mindful a lot 405 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,519 of times when we mentioned specifically 406 00:16:31,309 --> 00:16:29,279 who we're working with because it's a 407 00:16:33,109 --> 00:16:31,319 such a topic and some folks still you 408 00:16:38,509 --> 00:16:33,119 know get a little bit uncomfortable if 409 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:38,519 you will so how do you see things going 410 00:16:42,499 --> 00:16:39,569 forward 411 00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:42,509 you know I heard you I met you down at 412 00:16:49,150 --> 00:16:45,449 the end Sherri Hill at the MUFON event 413 00:16:53,989 --> 00:16:49,160 and but how do you think things are 414 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:53,999 going to go as we go along do you think 415 00:16:58,249 --> 00:16:55,649 I think you mentioned that you think 416 00:17:01,519 --> 00:16:58,259 disclosure is basically happened do you 417 00:17:03,499 --> 00:17:01,529 think we're more on that path and I'm 418 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:03,509 seeing that people are actually taking 419 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:05,370 this topic seriously when they never did 420 00:17:11,179 --> 00:17:09,720 before and so what do you what do you 421 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:11,189 where do you think we're going as far as 422 00:17:17,539 --> 00:17:15,020 that goes well let me put it this way a 423 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:17,549 year and a half ago if we were to have 424 00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:20,010 this conversation we would probably be 425 00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:22,260 laughed out of the building that we were 426 00:17:26,689 --> 00:17:24,120 in if this was a government building and 427 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:26,699 if you were to talk to a TV TV 428 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:29,570 production studio they would probably 429 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:33,630 very quickly dismiss you and be polite 430 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:34,529 but they say you know we're not really 431 00:17:39,740 --> 00:17:37,500 interested in this look how far we've 432 00:17:41,629 --> 00:17:39,750 come in just the last year and a half 433 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:41,639 you have now the government admitting 434 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:42,240 that it 435 00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:46,710 indeed funded that actual academic 436 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:50,400 studies were conducted that videos were 437 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:52,530 actually collected and obtained and 438 00:17:57,980 --> 00:17:55,980 analyzed you now have the the admission 439 00:18:00,169 --> 00:17:57,990 by several elements in the government 440 00:18:02,450 --> 00:18:00,179 that these things are indeed real and 441 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:02,460 now you have changing of policy at a 442 00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:05,130 national level that allows the reporting 443 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:07,140 in the collection of data of these 444 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:08,610 things and by the way there's a lot more 445 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:09,510 things that have occurred that I 446 00:18:13,490 --> 00:18:11,700 probably can't talk about right now but 447 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:13,500 it'll come to light so I think we've 448 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:15,690 come light years ahead of where we were 449 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:17,250 just a year and a half ago and if you 450 00:18:20,180 --> 00:18:18,450 look at even the show that we're doing 451 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:20,190 now with our with the History Channel 452 00:18:24,110 --> 00:18:21,240 Ami's History Channel 453 00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:24,120 this isn't a UFO hunting show this isn't 454 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:26,190 a an entertainment show 455 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:28,530 this isn't even a reality show this is a 456 00:18:33,410 --> 00:18:31,290 show about reality what they plan is if 457 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:33,420 assigning I think a year and a half ago 458 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:34,260 they would have assigned some 459 00:18:37,610 --> 00:18:35,610 entertainment producers to do a show 460 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:37,620 like this this is not what they did 461 00:18:41,660 --> 00:18:40,110 History Channel decided to assign some 462 00:18:42,740 --> 00:18:41,670 of the most hardened investigative 463 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:42,750 journalists that have spent their 464 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:44,850 careers looking at the underbelly of the 465 00:18:49,850 --> 00:18:47,130 human race and things like like sex 466 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:49,860 trafficking and and corruption and 467 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,650 organized crime even the camera crew 468 00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:54,720 that they assigned to this thing a lot 469 00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:57,000 of these folks have been in combat 470 00:19:01,280 --> 00:18:58,740 theaters filming the US troops under 471 00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:01,290 fire so this is an investigative 472 00:19:06,410 --> 00:19:02,670 journalist at Pace in fact they won't 473 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:06,420 even let me see the episodes before the 474 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:08,010 public because they want to keep that 475 00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:09,900 investigative journalistic integrity and 476 00:19:15,410 --> 00:19:11,790 I admire them for that so what you're 477 00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:15,420 seeing is raw footage we you know there 478 00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:17,400 are no retakes there are no scripts look 479 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:19,350 I'm not a Hollywood guy I'm you know I'm 480 00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:21,150 gonna i'm an old intel guy you know 481 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:23,670 don't you investigator so you could even 482 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:25,380 if you wanted me to act i'm not gonna be 483 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:28,020 a very good actor so we realized very 484 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:29,700 early on that in order for this to work 485 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:31,350 it had to be real and what the audience 486 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:33,630 see what you see is what you get and 487 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:36,150 it's it's that's it and we'll let the 488 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:48,860 yeah I mean because I was there 489 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:51,000 obviously critical mning I can I haven't 490 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:52,860 have a general understanding but I don't 491 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:55,080 really know what what they decide to put 492 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,890 in and what leave 493 00:19:59,720 --> 00:19:57,360 there was a tremendous amount of 494 00:20:01,160 --> 00:19:59,730 information to obtain and I think what 495 00:20:03,380 --> 00:20:01,170 you'll realize and the audience will 496 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:03,390 realize hopefully is that this is truly 497 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:05,340 a global phenomena this is something 498 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:08,370 that does have a national security Nexus 499 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:10,620 and it is a conversation that we should 500 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:12,450 have as younger people and by the way I 501 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:13,620 think they'll also have a great 502 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:14,970 appreciation that there are some people 503 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:17,400 working behind the scenes very very hard 504 00:20:21,380 --> 00:20:19,020 and they're doing some incredible work 505 00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:21,390 and I think our servicemen and women in 506 00:20:26,450 --> 00:20:24,059 uniform deserve the most credit these 507 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:26,460 folks are are the best of the best this 508 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:28,020 country has and they're brave and 509 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:29,970 they're patriots and they're doing their 510 00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:31,890 duty and they're doing it for the first 511 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:34,260 time stepping out of the shadows we're a 512 00:20:37,789 --> 00:20:35,940 year and a half ago frankly they could 513 00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:37,799 have lost their jobs doing and now you 514 00:20:42,620 --> 00:20:40,620 have an AP and a PA Oh actually allowing 515 00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:42,630 folks to step forward and have a 516 00:20:47,030 --> 00:20:45,270 conversation on the public stage I mean 517 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:47,040 that's that's remarkable I mean just a 518 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:49,410 year and a half ago imagine how far 519 00:20:53,780 --> 00:20:51,690 we've come in just a year and a half on 520 00:20:55,970 --> 00:20:53,790 this topic you now have major media 521 00:20:57,049 --> 00:20:55,980 outlets really taking this seriously 522 00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:57,059 once and for all 523 00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:58,440 I mean of course you know going that 524 00:21:02,750 --> 00:21:00,360 your original question to me that that's 525 00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:02,760 folks out there that are you know still 526 00:21:07,460 --> 00:21:05,400 trying to push a narrative but look how 527 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:07,470 far we've come and I think that that's 528 00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:09,660 very encouraging and I think I think the 529 00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:11,190 American people are ready to have the 530 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:13,980 conversation why not I do too 531 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:17,010 I really never saw one I really thought 532 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:19,290 the best part of that whole episode was 533 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:22,020 when you had the the female pilot 534 00:21:27,380 --> 00:21:24,330 anonymous the women so to speak wing 535 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,390 woman it was absolutely wonderful she 536 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:30,000 looked very uncomfortable when she was 537 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:32,910 speaking and do you think eventually 538 00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,580 someone like her will feel more free 539 00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:38,400 talking about it the more this talk is 540 00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:41,820 out there I hope so I hope so I can't 541 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:45,419 answer on her behalf I certainly hope so 542 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:48,210 I know for me I still sometimes find 543 00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:49,890 myself looking over my shoulder and and 544 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:51,630 but let me put this into context just 545 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:52,890 very recently I had a conversation with 546 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:55,290 a colleague of mine at the Pentagon he 547 00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:56,700 said you know a little conversation you 548 00:22:01,789 --> 00:21:58,860 and I had to have in the shadows behind 549 00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:01,799 a vault behind a you know a skiff and 550 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:04,559 we'd have to whisper I can now have this 551 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:06,390 conversation openly and some in the 552 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:08,610 halls of the Pentagon and that that 553 00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,570 represents 554 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:12,720 seismic shift in where this conversation 555 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:14,910 is going that people actively wanting to 556 00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:17,130 help whereas before they would run away 557 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:18,750 in the opposite direction to say don't 558 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,490 ever mention that to me again now 559 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:21,840 they're saying hey look how can I help 560 00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:24,270 but what can we do us Morgana's ation as 561 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:27,000 an agency is a institution to help and I 562 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:28,890 can't wait that's tremendous are you 563 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:30,810 kidding me I mean in a year and a half 564 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:34,310 that conversation has come that far 565 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:37,770 amazing just one last question did you 566 00:22:45,140 --> 00:22:42,350 feel uncomfortable at first when you 567 00:22:47,050 --> 00:22:45,150 thought the whole idea of Tom DeLonge 568 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:47,060 being involved in something 569 00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:53,330 nope never definitely was I I did not 570 00:23:00,170 --> 00:22:56,310 look tell you everybody on this team has 571 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:00,180 a very special everybody we were a bit 572 00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:01,770 of a little company's a bit like a Swiss 573 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:02,400 Army knife 574 00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:04,860 everybody can do a particular function 575 00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:07,620 very very well in Toms case this is a 576 00:23:11,030 --> 00:23:09,180 man everybody knows him as I guess a 577 00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:11,040 lead singer to a couple bands but what 578 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:12,150 they don't know is that he's brilliant 579 00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:16,890 he's truly a extremely creative and and 580 00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,260 quite frankly he's we managed to get to 581 00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:21,900 the highest levels of the government on 582 00:23:27,170 --> 00:23:23,700 this topic when nobody wanted to have a 583 00:23:29,150 --> 00:23:27,180 conversation he's tenacious I think as 584 00:23:30,290 --> 00:23:29,160 I've said before you know sometimes in a 585 00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:30,300 crowded room you need to meet a 586 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:32,280 megaphone Tom is definitely that 587 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:34,890 megaphone he's not afraid to about his 588 00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:36,450 reputation he does what he feels is 589 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:37,620 right and I gotta give him credit for 590 00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:38,630 that 591 00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,190 sometimes I've told him before you want 592 00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:42,720 to you want to sometimes you need a bull 593 00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:46,200 in a china shop in Toms case so it's 594 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,150 more like a fragmentation grenade but 595 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:50,400 you know sometimes you need to you need 596 00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,100 to break a little China in order to fix 597 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,480 a system and he's been very very 598 00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:56,880 effective at doing that and frankly he's 599 00:24:01,340 --> 00:23:59,130 just a really decent human being I mean 600 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:01,350 I've had a chance in my career to work 601 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:02,910 with a lot of people and some good and 602 00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:03,630 some not so good 603 00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:06,180 tom is right up there at the top of the 604 00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:09,000 list he is just a decent human being he 605 00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:10,830 wants to do the right thing he's willing 606 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:12,150 to do whatever he has to do include 607 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:13,980 putting his own money his own reputation 608 00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:16,410 on the line he left he left one of the 609 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:18,630 world's largest punk rock bands to 610 00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:20,370 pursue this because he felt that this is 611 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:21,750 the right thing to do I don't know how 612 00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:23,250 many people out there willing to do 613 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:24,780 a lot of people want to get off of their 614 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:27,720 opinions about this but when push comes 615 00:24:32,030 --> 00:24:29,190 to shove you think they leave their jobs 616 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:32,040 do it you think they think their careers 617 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:34,770 behind to pursue this I don't know you 618 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:38,010 know so I think I think I think we need 619 00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:40,770 to give him credit where credit is due 620 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,380 he has definitely moved the needle on 621 00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:46,440 this conversation yeah I think there's a 622 00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:49,740 lot of people in the UFO field that may 623 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:52,350 have some jealousy like you know he came 624 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:53,730 out of nowhere and I've been doing this 625 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:54,330 for so long 626 00:24:59,300 --> 00:24:57,330 and all that but he we have to give him 627 00:25:02,120 --> 00:24:59,310 credit you're right I mean he it wasn't 628 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:02,130 for him how we wouldn't be where we are 629 00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:04,530 today look we've got to get over this 630 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:06,150 jealousy thing there's nothing to be 631 00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:09,300 jealous about we're trying to have the 632 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:11,430 conversation that we've been that some 633 00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:12,390 folks have been trying to have for a 634 00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:14,520 very long time this should be cause for 635 00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:16,380 celebration it's just not time to be 636 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:19,020 Petty and you know it's this is a time 637 00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:20,670 for all of us to work together and say 638 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:22,950 hey you know this is an important topic 639 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:25,730 this is something that involves humanity 640 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:28,170 that was my opinion anyways I don't 641 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:29,730 think there's any reason for anybody 642 00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:31,770 jealous look this is a team effort this 643 00:25:36,170 --> 00:25:33,870 is a group effort you know how did I had 644 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:36,180 it not been for folks having an interest 645 00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:39,330 in this for the last say yes no 70 years 646 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:41,340 maybe we wouldn't have gotten to where 647 00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:42,240 we are today 648 00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,920 you know everybody everybody should 649 00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:45,960 accept credit for this this is not a TTS 650 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:48,180 a thing or even a History Channel thing 651 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:50,310 this isn't you know this is this is a 652 00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,560 this is something that everybody should 653 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:54,240 look at and say hey you know I had a 654 00:25:58,820 --> 00:25:57,330 little part of that you're doing this 655 00:26:01,640 --> 00:25:58,830 show right now you are doing this 656 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:01,650 podcast you have a part of this you are 657 00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:04,770 very much integral to the conversation 658 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:07,140 I mean don't look now but that's exactly 659 00:26:11,540 --> 00:26:08,610 what you're doing you are very as much 660 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:11,550 part as we are you are too and so are 661 00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:12,660 your listeners because they're taking 662 00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:14,550 the time to listen to this rather than 663 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:17,670 you know change the channel to something 664 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:20,670 else you know they could be I want and 665 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:22,290 what say specifically well but you know 666 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:23,310 there's lots of things that people can 667 00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:25,710 listen to and watch these days and are 668 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:28,980 then tuning in to - to your program that 669 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:31,170 should be an indicator at that that you 670 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:34,170 are part of this this this see change 671 00:26:36,649 --> 00:26:35,700 and so we're your listeners everybody 672 00:26:40,339 --> 00:26:36,659 every one of us 673 00:26:42,859 --> 00:26:40,349 have a part right good although thanks 674 00:26:44,389 --> 00:26:42,869 so much it's been a real pleasure yes